Musky 360 Podcast Episode 267: New Tranx Reel, Musky Tools and Winter Trolling Tactics

Steven: 

Alright folks, welcome to the Musky 360 podcast. Jay, I believe your weather accidentally ended up at my house. 

Jaybird: 

Well, the weather we were supposed to get. 

Steven: 

If you could come if you can come get that, that'd be appreciated. 

Jaybird: 

Now we got some too today, but not like you, I guess, yeah. 

Speaker 

No. 

Steven: 

Did he really? This has been ridiculous. 

Speaker 

I. 

Steven: 

Literally spent a couple days out running the thing from. This storm, as I did a little run around early in the week and it was just like the entire time headed back East, was just ridiculous. Then snow and ice and everything, that's not nice, one might say. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, you got like 6 inches or something. 

Steven: 

Yeah, well, the problem is that you're not prepared for down. Nobody. I mean, they've the roads are clear now, but the first couple days. It's not. There's more than seven people here. Most people in the Northwoods and up north don't realize pretty populous down here 'cause we're not crazy and don't want to live in the frozen tundra and just trying to keep up with with roads and side streets gets messy. And then you? Like Metro Nashville, which is now it. Could rain and it's bad. So it's it's craziness. Oh, do you have any? I heard the ice ain't that bad. 

Jaybird: 

Ice is real good. Yeah, fishing's been great. There's some. 

Steven: 

What's going on there? Now. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, mostly pan fish stories is what I've been hearing this week at. 

Steven: 

And last. Pan fish stories with Jay. 

Jaybird: 

So people been doing with that a lot of people like to do that, especially when it's decent out, you know where it's not, you know where it's 20 or above. We had a lot of weather like that this week, so. Yeah. Good ice. I mean, they're dry trucks on lake. 

Speaker 

That's cool, man. 

Steven: 

So you said that somebody had sent something to to to Jodie Michael, that was like there were some significant ice. Know we talked about last week, but significant comparison to what other. Which is your the. The neighbor, Steve in the snowmobile squad. Praying for. Do you guys have any like, is there anything substantial for the snow? A lot of people go up there, run up from Chicagoland area, go up there, drink some beers. And run your snow machine. 

Jaybird: 

Well, snowmobiling is a it's a huge. It's a huge machine in the winter around Biloxi in the night of counties. Last year, the trails never opened because of lack of. And this year, they're still not open. But we did get about, I don't know, 4 inches last night, so. Added to the one or two that we already had. I don't know if it's enough, but it's also probably not too much to ruin the ice. And I say ruin the ice that generally you get any kind of amount of snow on ice. And once you start fishing on it, slosh occurs and then the you know the. Comes up and it's, you know, difficult to travel on and all that so. 

Speaker 

That's exciting. 

Jaybird: 

So I haven't had to deal with that. 

Steven: 

No, thank you. 

Jaybird: 

Well, now I. 

Steven: 

I'm glad I don't have to deal with that at all. Actually it it's been submitted. 

Speaker 

I know. 

Steven: 

I have seen edge ice. Jay, you would think you would think it was the Ice Age. Couldn't believe. McCoy Pond froze solid. That was. You know, talk about First world problems, you know. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah. Well, you know, it's going to rebound quickly and you'll be back. The water probably tomorrow. The next day, right? 

Steven: 

Oh, I've missed it, right? I'm up an Adam baby, rocking and rolling now actually catching fish. Love it. That's one thing we southern guys. It. Blue blazes when it's sub freezing out, but any kind of pressure you can put on these fish as far as, oh, changes coming. They feed, bag it up and when you really have those hard drops in the winter. That that really kicks things up. You know the the the bait fish respond accordingly. Kind of goes nutty. The best thing I find when it's snowing and I love fishing in the snow. Snowy means cloudy, you know, and it's usually when you look at snow storms they have that, that low, that really low hanging deal tourism to them you know. Wherever, like Thunder fronts and stuff. Thunderstorms in the summer. You know, you just look at all those are snowy looking. Oh, it's killer. You're just freezing to death. That's it. Chip. Chip. Chip. A little ice away from the real. Talked about that and. Something you know mentioned it in the past and talked about, you know, WD40 and all this stuff. I actually switched. You know real magic, Jay. Yeah, shook hands of real magic. Just worked just as well. Had a can in the boat. Ran out of the WD. And the real magic gets it done as well. Know it's just dry your hands. There's nothing worse than like I've done. You like spray that crap on the on the Rio and then 5 seconds later you get a strike and it's like cue the Benny Hill music. You know. Just just get a watch. For. But it's it's incorrect. 

Speaker 

Tim, I mean you got. 

Jaybird: 

Take care of your equipment, sub freezing and moisture on your equipment just did not equal. Pleasant Day on the water. Sometimes you know what I mean. 

Steven: 

Pleasanton. Yeah. Gotta do what you gotta do. I've actually. We just a few days ago I sent you some. Just sent some Jay some cool stuff on Magnus. You'll hear more about that in the coming weeks. If you're not, get get your **** signed up, you're going to want it, but. 

Speaker 

Mm. 

Steven: 

Been out filming and doing a lot of trolling, a lot of covering water and Jay scene. Some of that footage of just icy frozen stuff. So in the South right now the, the the. Is the bite is really good? Like I said, you just got to get out there on those days. Suck bundle up. Where your fish monkey gloves. 

Speaker 

Mm. 

Steven: 

Wear your. I think I sent Jay the thing finally found gloves. I've said it, I'm going to say it again. If you're still fishing or you're going to fish early season. Those freaking fish monkey Sherpa gloves. Yep, the only I'm with. All I'm wearing. I fish monkey ain't caught is fish. Is that like his first and last name of the? Or is that just a brand Che? Do you know is it is it? 

Jaybird: 

Oh, like, hey, is she called up? Is Mr. Monkey there? 

Steven: 

It Mr. Monkhouse. Is he? No, no. This is his secretary, Janet. 

Jaybird: 

No, it's no. You know, you know, Fish took off for the day. 

Steven: 

Ugly fish, fish, fish. It's like a law firm, fish and monkey. That's even better. That's family names now. I don't. I guess the I'm being silly, but that caught me. Don't know anybody over there picked them up from the shop and I was like, OK. Give them a go, man. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, they're good aren't. You still have dexterity with. 

Steven: 

They are good. 

Jaybird: 

With your fingers and you know they're they're heavy enough gloves, but they still have some dexterity there too. 

Steven: 

Yeah, enough to have to play around and you're not. You know I'm not. 

Speaker 

Mm. 

Steven: 

You know you're going to use your phone. You got to take them off. Right. Have you noticed that every glove now especially like at the phone finger, they kind of work, you know, but you know if you want to use your phone or you got to do something stupid. But I'm able to cast in them. That's the biggest thing. You know, it's just like, OK, can I thumb the? Can I do everything I need to do without this just being a mess and I've I've been there, done that on every glove. Those are those are worth. But you know right now, if you're, if you're you're still on the water, you're the frozen chosen like myself. Man big rubber trolling. That seems to be the. But after last week, we kind of went through all the baits, got a lot. Of people. Hey the the appreciated the. A lot of opinion last week on what we like, but. Everybody. You're fishing, or you're gearing up or you're getting new gear. You're. About, you know, the 2025 season. And and what? What do you need for success? That stuff. First and foremost, want to. We're going to talk about all the terminal gear, you know, all the stuff that gets overlooked, I love. Everybody loves baits, but we need to go through because there's so many people asking going to go through kind of, you know, your Nets, your rods, your basics, your tools. Kind of. The consensus on that a little bit, but everybody loves. It's like baits and reels. Everybody you know, everyone forgets everything else, but reels are the biggie and there hasn't been a much development in reels until lately. You know it. I can't think Jay did any new reels come out last year. I was like 10. 

Speaker 

Partly. 

Steven: 

Yeah, well, it looks like the fine folks at Shimano is a Shimano. Do you pronounce that shiman? 

Jaybird: 

Shimano. 

Steven: 

No, the fine folks at Shimano have introduced. The shrink shrinks 300. B tranx. My people cut. 

Jaybird: 

Yep, just came out Friday. 

Steven: 

In my. You pronoun that shrinks the tranx 300. You did a little video clip with miles there at Shimano Jay. Had this I've not. I'm only looking at pictures. You're living in the future. Everybody else you've had in your hands. Going on with this. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, it's it's really the same real more or less as last. You know it's it's it's got a low gear and it's got a high gear option. Got you know, 2IN right hand 2IN left hand. The price is the same, but they changed the the frame has this core solid. Agane like one piece frame a what? They call it Hogani Hogan. 

Steven: 

You're just making words up. 

Jaybird: 

Well, well, he might be making words up, but it's it's a rigid frame that. 

Steven: 

What is it? What is haggane? 

Jaybird: 

Well, that's that's a term of their manufacturing process. 

Steven: 

Well, boys learned a new word anyway, so it's got a Ghana frame. Continue. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, I mean anyone that's that's into, you know, high quality reels, you need a one piece solid frame. So there's no flexing and it holds all the components in place. Just ensures smooth running and long enough. So that's what they changed on that and they've got a new SPS tuning system with the breaking. So that's got on the fly adjustments with an external dial and it's real easy to use. You can adjust. You can fine tune it internally. The cover pops on and off in seconds. It's a solid, cool looking real light. You know, specs are basically exactly the same. Weight and. It's super light, like the tranx 300. As but this thing just came. It just made some improvements and adjustments on that reel. That is the one new really cool. Real and a lot of people think that three hundreds might be a little small for muskie fishing, but you get not at all. 

Steven: 

No, not at all. 

Jaybird: 

If anything, you'll be able to palm the reel if you don't have huge hands. Might be for you plenty of plenty of 80 LB. Super line on there to work with so. Highly. 

Steven: 

Recommended I did some Google. Yeah, that bar. I just did, I said. What's that? We. Do you have Alex in your home, Jay? Do you let them spy on you? 

Jaybird: 

Yet so. You're searching OK. 

Steven: 

I am searching. I I did the Google. And it says Agame means steel in. 

Speaker 

Mm. 

Steven: 

However, the the shrinks the tranks frame gunnery. It's Japanese gear feel very, very worldly right now. It's a highly rigid metals body is made of highly rigid metal such as aluminum and magnesium. So they've got an. They've done here a little little thingy doodle here to increase the rigidity of the reel. It says to reduce flex and warping, which I mean that's. That's one thing I've seen. Like real seats. I'm wondering if it is that primarily in the real seat or is that an entire or like on the side? Of the real Jay. Are they are the side plates metal? They plastic or like that? Like a hard plastic like the tranx. What's going? Is that just the frame is metallic now. 

Jaybird: 

It's just the frame is metal. Yeah, the the side. 

Steven: 

Hagana. 

Jaybird: 

Kind of. Right, right. 

Steven: 

Domo orgato agame. Now cool. That's. So it's that aluminum, magnesium, so it weighs. What 11 ounces in total do you want the old, tranquil 300? What? 

Jaybird: 

I believe they're exactly the same. There's no way change. 

Steven: 

OK. Gotcha. Well, that I'm just peeking here. OK. Same overall. They've just strengthened it and it's got the one thing I thought was interesting, again deferring to you because you've seen her in, in person. This adjustment on the side, right I'm looking at. You've got kinda like the dialing in adjustment. Is there like a second did did did the entire side plate turn there? It just that little black clicker on the inside of the Roo. 

Jaybird: 

The side plate, all you do is you turn that corner clockwise 1/2 rotation and it and it comes off just like that. 

Steven: 

OK. 

Jaybird: 

And there's a closed switch on the bottom. So and you know you got those weights internally you can. 

Steven: 

I'm. 

Jaybird: 

In or out? 

Steven: 

I'm talking about. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Steven: 

I'm talking about the other the other side, the handle side, not handle side. I am an idiot because handle side we are not going to pop off my apologies. What I was asking about is this this adjustment they've added to the side of the reel. You have a picture pulled up by chance. Maybe I'm. I'm trying to explain this because I'm sure somebody else is going to see it as if you look at the side of this reel, there's like this. Different colored. Circular disc around the side, right? Is that mobile or is that just decorative? 

Jaybird: 

No, that's decorative. OK, that locks. It's the black portion. If you're looking at that picture, there's a black dial. 

Steven: 

Right, right. I didn't know. Yeah. 

Jaybird: 

And it's nice because it's not something that's going to get bumped accidentally and changed on. 

Steven: 

That's what I was asking. Yeah, yes. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah. So it's protected by that side plate, which is a little bit higher than the actual dyers dial, so. Pretty. 

Steven: 

Sway. Yeah. 

Jaybird: 

Pretty smart, pretty slick. 

Steven: 

A Japanese you can make. Micro adjustment, I dig it. And that's one thing, like you said, too many people. Well, they think they need a 500 size Rio or gigantic real. Mean I've. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah. Until they pick one up. 

Steven: 

Until they pick one up and. 

Speaker 

I. 

Steven: 

And how much line do you really need? That is the one thing that people do, I mean. Muskies don't run that far if you're. If you're seeing your backing, you're in trouble. Yeah, 300. It's cool that they changed, that is, are they going to keep the 400 the same? Going to do the same thing. Do you have any indication? 

Jaybird: 

Four hundreds are the same for. I don't know the what the future holds on that. If if they're going to, you know, incorporate these these changes you know within the year or not. And right now they're not going to. Yep. 

Steven: 

Well, I dig it. Anyway, on to since we're on the reels anyway, everybody's asking. So we're telling we might as well go with just reels because the argument is this. I love my dialysis. I've fished Dias. Fished a. I've fished this kind of on the same tip. Jay, we're Gavin last week. Gun to the head. Right. You gotta pick one reel. What's what's the one for? Were you, like of all the muskie reels? Not just just what's your overall. You're telling a guy, hey, you've done it in the store. He walks in. Hey I need a reel and I we need one reel. What is it? 

Jaybird: 

Drinks 400 high gear. 

Steven: 

Todd. Aye, pardon me. I I you said hi I would. Yeah, that's where I'm at. I don't know if I'll go the high. High is what? It's the high 7 three or is it? It's 5/8. 

Jaybird: 

It's 40 inches. 

Steven: 

Trying to. 40 inches. 

Speaker 

Yeah, it's. 

Jaybird: 

40 inches per turn, which is. 

Steven: 

776. 

Jaybird: 

A bit but. 

Steven: 

Yeah, I mean, I have the I have the 5/8 which I like for for slow rolling. I have them both. That's probably the one that's probably the the. 

Jaybird: 

Well, just what I. I mean, I've got a pro Rex dialogue and that's it's not my. It's like I when I go out fishing I generally bring 2 setups, 29 foot heavy. Muskie shop shield rods, telescoping and got the dial on one and I got the tranks on the other. So I kind of have a 1-2 punch and I'm not constantly opening and closing the snap on my leader. You know, I got the two primary lures on. To use them. And yeah, I kind of go from. That's kind of what I've been using. That's what I want with all. All season I was really, really happy with it. So I love both reels, man. 

Steven: 

I well, like like I said for the if you got to just choose the one, I mean, if you gun to the head, I'm the same way I've been fishing. Die was a bunch, but gun to the head tranks. I mean, I would debate just depends on what you're doing with it. But I guess for the overall. Optimum. Diversity of presentations, the 76. You know, just just 4 krakens for Bulldogs. For heck, even dive and rise baits the. You know, I'm saying you need a little quicker pickup, so if you're going for it, I price .2. I think one thing too, because I'm leaning the Shimano. Little bit. A price point thing, in my opinion. You know, just just as a apples. App it's you got different features on on the Daiwa but apples to apples, you know it's a 400 size real you know at at the price point of the Shimano versus the die was going to be I think I think you're going to get your bang for. And it's kind of what? Is it 3? 19 I'm looking right now 3/19 for tranks. 329. Yeah. I mean, it's not that much. Never. Wasn't a bigger price spread in the past or this about the same? 

Jaybird: 

In the last two years, both of those real brands went up a little bit, you know, like 10/10/20 bucks or something. Over the last couple of years. 

Steven: 

A little bit, yeah. 

Jaybird: 

Overall, they really haven't changed, you know. 

Steven: 

What's? Hold on. Let me ask you this. The corrado's these were. Big time reel for a hot minute right when super Reels came out and they've got this Corrado. Size is. Is all. It's a 2. Did they ever make a 300? Corrado Jay? 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Steven: 

Oh, there is. It is. That's also a killer. 

Jaybird: 

They just, yeah, they. I mean, drinks are just walking all over kurados though. Just are. 

Steven: 

That was before. Correct me wrong. There was a green sparkle, Corrado. Yes. 

Jaybird: 

Yep, absolutely. 

Speaker 

Mm. 

Steven: 

Killers killer. And that's another really good option there if you're looking in that 300, that's actually, you know something I need to add to the boat here, to be honest with you. Yeah, there's 300 corradoes, two 19300 size bulletproof. What's the? Gear ratio on these. OK, so I got a four, seven and a 6/6. That is a heck of an option there. A sleeper. I haven't thought. I just saw the one Corrado was flipping by. That's another one to think about. Really, if? If. Because like I said, when anytime with people asking what's the constant question, what's the best real? What's the best real bait? You know, it's it's a matter of. It's been said before it should be said again. You know a tranquil 500 or a diaolexa 500 is not right for everybody. You know that things the size of a small toaster with a handle on it. They're big. I mean, if you've not held one of those in your hands, whereas you know, like Jay said, big hand. And you know, for hundreds of comfortable for palming and it's not going to be awkward, but that 300I. For that's kind of a good safe size all the way around. I mean, especially if you're doing multi species or you're not hooking big stuff but that. As a sleeper anyway, getting off of realtor. Something you gotta have beyond a shadow of a doubt. When it comes to Muskies is a net and this is another one we get pop with here a lot. Just to hit it. Everybody's got the preference in that. Here's the deal. Think there's a bad? I think there are better. I don't think there's a bad net, so if you have whatever net, as long as it's a musky net because I'm not comparing something you picked up at the Walmart. Right. What makes you what makes a musking net deep bag? Right, and a wide, wide open area wide yolk. Whatever the measurements across the net. So you want a deep enough bag to contain with a big fish and you want the net wide enough physically to be able to easily net fish, right? 

Jaybird: 

Yeah. At least at least 30 inches wide in a general rule of thumb. That's what I'd go with a lot of. Are about 34. An industry standard and a, you know, in a frame size for for muskie fishing, yeah. 

Steven: 

I can tell you flat. What I use and then this has worked for me. This is my favorite. Tried them all. Is the power kit frable? 

Speaker 

None. 

Steven: 

Catch big. It's the 8425 model, right? Dilly dally with this. Tried that one, done them all. That is the one that I use on the daily. My go to. No problems with that net. A heavy mesh. One thing when people are looking at Nets, let's say you know you got all that you want to get rid of it or you're looking for new net or whatever. Something that I think is detrimental on on safe release and the health and safety of mosques is too fine of a mesh and it doesn't get talked about enough right when you get a a netbag, there's two schools of thought. Right, a highly rubbered. Tight weave is going to prevent thin tearing and things of that nature when we're landing a fish. Right. Because I'll tell you most the damage to Muskies happens in. It's just a fact, right? You hooked them in the face. That's bad enough. Now when they get in the net. And they start rolling. That's the one time they have leverage and something that goes over. Overlooked often, when a little side side car here. You'll see people go. My bait tore up or the split ring bent or or the hook was bent. I got him. Most of the damage to your baits happens as well. There's not enough. 

Speaker 

You know. 

Steven: 

If your rod is flexing, it is a buffer. To the fish rights of the force is flexing the rod and that is. The weakest point in your signal chain. So the Rod Flex is there for a reason. And that's a buffer to snubber. Absorbing that force, that energy. Well, Muskies thrashing on the rod, he's not bending the split ring or tearing up the hook or anything else. When he gets in the net and the net is stationary, now the hook or the split ring or whatever is in the net. Now he can really start tearing the bait up. Secondly, back to the original point is he can start tearing himself up. That's one of the biggest things in a big no, no having the right. 

Speaker 

Sure. 

Steven: 

Net obviously size. So the wider the net, the more room for that fish to not do that. But back to the mesh. And it's a constant. I personally feel like the tighter weaved mesh that is claim OK. This is going to tear less fins up or cause less damage. Takes way longer to unhook fish out of and when they get rolled up in it, it's a nightmare. The finer the mesh, the smaller the gap in the weave of that net they can roll up into it and you're just you're. You can't even see the hook at times. Especially little fish, little fish getting there and he spin around and it's like, oh crap, you know? 

Jaybird: 

Yeah. Oh. 

Steven: 

I like that. I like the the power. It's a wider gap in the mesh and it's a bigger, for lack of the netting material, the actual rope or whatever you want to do. They make when they make it, what do you call the components of a net? Cordage they use right to make the net. Is thicker. So I tend to get less hook stuck in that because what happens? 

Jaybird: 

It is. 

Steven: 

Gets in net. Now, and if you think about it, throw a. Just just do this to make it's a fun game to play with the. Let's throw a musky bait in the net and shake the net and see what happens. No fish. It's gonna get tangled in there. Now we got a living creature in there. 

Speaker 

Sure. 

Steven: 

So the wider the wider cordage, the wider gaps in the net allows me to quickly. Address and get the fish. Obviously, most of the time I'm cutting the hooks to just not even deal with this. Can't tell you the amount of times. There'll be a hook. That's not even hooked into Muskie that I just cut the Shank on. Right, the hook Shank. I've cut it and it's just in the net. Just to get it out of the freaking way. Right. One less thing because now we have 9 points of treble hooks, plus the fish is mandible. And I think what really happens is Muskies will roll up. Now they've got the baits all. Constricted, you know, it's rolled up like a burrito. Got a musky burrito in this thing? And now he's a heads above water. What do we do? So to prevent that, I go with the larger mesh. Umm now that same. Bigger, wider mesh clam offers it. On their. And they've changed both of these have changed, I think since the last time I used a clam Jay. They're both teardrop in style now, correct? Yeah. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, they went away from the round frame size earth shape. 

Steven: 

Right. Which it now now the round frame is an interesting thing they did there because geometrically it's stronger. Right. So round is whatever not to crawl down the rabbit hole on that. But it was. You know, I don't think none of them have any damage issues, but they've got this more traditional teardrop. Another wide mesh. That's kind of preference. I'd say they got the clam though, and just making sure. OK, rubber coated polypropylene. So the one thing I'd say about the clamnet is they do cut. Coat the actual webbing of the. The net itself is coated in a rubber agent. But with that comes wait. Right. So personal preference to try to avoid the rubber coated Nets. For the standard. For ease of netting fish from a weight perspective, and I was going to ask you, Jay. Most of the time you're fishing so. How much does that change the netting material for? Say, you know, like in your small rig or something like that or you got more stowmaster. Going like if you're fishing, you know I'm guiding, so it's easy. Not reeling the thing in. Netting the thing. So the bigger we even in the weights, not a issue. Your head case or what's your thoughts on net? 

Jaybird: 

That that's the discussion this day and age on. It's gone away from it. Used to be like, you know, I don't like this frame and. I love this. Does this frame come with this kind of bag? 

Speaker 

Right. 

Jaybird: 

It come with. They're all. You know, if it's a clam or if it's a snowmaster or. It's like a real. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Jaybird: 

Way better if it's a frail the frames don't fail, OK. I mean you. You can run them over with your truck. Probably going to be fine. 

Steven: 

I've done that. 

Jaybird: 

The the the engaging are all different. They all have a different. Way of because most people store their net in their boat. Yeah, deploying the handle. 

Steven: 

Deploying. 

Jaybird: 

Generally, you just whether it's this model AB or C, you just pull it out, click it's engaged. It's that simple. That's not the discussion, it's it's all. It's all about the the bags these days and. 

Steven: 

Pulls out wacky smack now. 

Jaybird: 

Obviously there's pros and cons going with a with a light bag, you know. Good example would be the frable conservation net, you know. That's got a light bag and some of the Rangers and some of the stole masters have a pretty light bag. Less, less friction in the. They're really quick. You can make quick moves and probably maybe even lose less fish because you're able to to stab that net exactly where it needs to go. When you do have a wild Husky at both side, but. Again, you asked about. It's just like I'm kind of in the middle of the. It's just like I've got a an older frame that I've got a kind of a middle of the road, I guess a bag on there. Not as heavy as the big game fraible, which I like. Think that's probably the best made. Out there. 

Steven: 

No, it's not going to tear up, yeah. 

Jaybird: 

It's it's just it's super strong and the depth and everything and rigidity of the sides and everything is great and there's enough opening on there where they actually maneuver pretty good underwater. You know, I think it's an excellent choice, but. Anyway, the bag I'm using is kind of in between that and a light bag, and there's a lot of light bags in the market, and if you ever are. 

Steven: 

Bagged. 

Jaybird: 

I'm picking on a net. Call and ask because you know me and the staff will have opinions for you on what might be too light a bag on a stock net. You know, if you're buying 1 great, you know. 

Steven: 

Well, yeah, you can always. Yeah, you can always like you're saying. Can put it. 'S interchangeable or you can buy the big clam net and then put a. You know, change the bag though, but you know it's that question of durability and weight. You know, if again, personal personal preference is should I would say. Is always denoted by physicality and intended use, you know, and that's a lot of it because. Like with the lighter mesh comes. The responsibility of of inspection of you. You actually made a you keep short of it before my buddy Tim is. He had the biggest musket ever caught in the net and blew out the side of it. Wasn't that the mesh was bad? He had just used it for too long, hadn't paid attention, and it was enough for a fish to RIP out the side of one of these. Lightweight Nets. But when you're fishing by yourself, most of the time. Hey, that's that's a. You know, so you have to figure out what is your intended use. Siege what is the the you know, if you're a guy like me where I don't want to. The last thing I want to do in the driveway before I have to go back in the boat is full with a net. I don't want to. I just. I want to buy a net and I want to not have to worry about it. So that's why the the power catch works for me, right? The only thing you want to do with my net? I usually will take some when I get them new and put them in the dryer. I will take them off the frame and run them in the dryer and heat them up and it makes them really loosey Goosey. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, soften them up. 

Speaker 

Sure. 

Steven: 

Soften it up because when you first get an Ant, they're always really rigid. So if you want to make your wife mad. Do. Get the net. Soak it in your tub, then put it in there. It'll flow like silk. 

Jaybird: 

Make sure she's not around when you do that, then you're fine. 

Steven: 

Make sure, yeah, they're. They're fine. But I I I find that that works for. But if I mean, if you're a guy where it's like, hey, you've got your one candidate, you're not fishing a ton and it's you and your buddy who sucks on the net or it's, you know, you're a solo angler and you're willing to replace that with with Moder. Because the more fish you catch, the more times you need to inspect and replace that. The one downsize, but the benefit is reduces the physicality. Dry. It reduces the drag in the water, so that would be the the the thought process there, right? 

Jaybird: 

Another wear and tear on bags is sunlight. You know, if you live in a a climate like you do and that things even though you don't park your boat in the sun, you know when you're not using it. And some people do, yeah. 

Steven: 

When am I not using it? The problem? Just get. 

Jaybird: 

You know when it's out there. Just getting baked every. It's just like it will deteriorate. You know, I don't know if you can get a Caesar two out of it without substantial deterioration, but it could happen. 

Steven: 

Oh, I've had them. Where you say that and it's it's not the. This is not the juiciest topic, but I've said you talk. It's the the last thing you want to fail. I have seen Nets. I've had Nets personally where I've left them out and you know in boats before you had a place to park them and and okay even the heaviest webbing starts wearing down it. It just deteriorates. 

Speaker 

Mm. 

Steven: 

That's. To take care of your your net bag. Jay. 

Jaybird: 

Take care of this bag. 

Steven: 

Which which is another thing just in a side side topic just for two seconds in that same house. We're talking about baits breaking, dude. One thing you've seen a million of these is leaving baits on the deck of your boat in the summer and the guess what happens. The sides of them blow up like they've got a tumor. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah abs plastic baits are notorious for that. Can get damaged in sunlight. 

Steven: 

Pretty easily Manish, put them in the shade. Put them in the shade if you ever have a bait that's like, wow, it's because it got too hot. They will actually roast it. Leave your plastic baits. Don't leave any baits out in the direct sun, but I think Nets a lot of times. That abuse, but you know. The. The same token things that you got to have. Can't go out there with that. We can't go out there without the tools. I think this one is easy, but just just get it out of the way. You got to have hook cutters and the freaking Nipp X or hands down the best. 

Jaybird: 

There's no bomb. 

Steven: 

No, that's it. 

Jaybird: 

Hands, hands down. 

Steven: 

Don't fight. Don't. I think one of those again, if we're going, you know, you talk about Nets and you got to talk, think about conservation for a second, for sure. But that's the same thing I think. The tool that has allowed me to do the least amount of damage to Muskies has been the NIP X because single like with one hand. You know, I can cut the Shank of of pretty much most musky hooks like the thick part. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, 100% true. That's credible. 

Steven: 

And are all of them spring loaded now? 

Jaybird: 

No, you get your choice and you. Your spring. Spring loaded or just? Regular spring load is nice when you're operating with one hand. 

Steven: 

I'm just looking here. Spring loaded. Yep, that that. That's it. I mean, I'm telling you, I've not seen a better pair of hook cutters yet. Not seen a pair where I went. OK, that'll even. You know, one for one compare. 

Jaybird: 

Person it's a lifetime tool. As long as you don't drop it overboard, it's a lifetime tool. 

Steven: 

Yeah. 

Jaybird: 

Mean ask anybody that's ever owned one. 

Steven: 

I know some lifetime tools. 

Speaker 

They love them. 

Steven: 

Yeah. It's, it's. Yeah. That's one thing too. Say. 70 bucks is what there. Both sets same price. If you got OK, the guys that have these know how freaking good they are. It's pricey for a tool. Best thing you can do with these dudes. Right. It's, it's. I've done it in the past, is literally like something as simple as a tie. Like I've taped ropes to them with floats and things like that because you're going to have them hanging over in the net, or if they fall overboard. Just devise you a cheap redneck. Fix something to put a floaty on there. Right. And you won't lose them overboard because there's nothing worse. Have dropped $70.00 bolt cutters. Overboard and not recover them so, but like you said they did. And again, I'm not shielding for, I think these are mainly in Germany or something. Anyway, I'm not shilling for them. 

Jaybird: 

German heavy metals. 

Steven: 

Germany medal, but they're the best, the best. The one thing I say that they don't rust like I have one pair that's older than sin. That I still have around and every once a year, I'll hit them with the WD and they're running like grass. Something that always comes up too in the same ilk is the split ring pliers. Again, I think it's a hands. I don't think it's even a a question on whether xeron all right. 

Jaybird: 

Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The old blue handled ones. 

Steven: 

I don't even think there's a question. 

Speaker 

Yup. 

Steven: 

Blue. They call him, can't beat it with a stick legend around around the Fish Camp. No, that's dude. About it. I mean, I I, I've. I've lost those a million times. That's another thing. Is there not? Why do these not have floating? Somebody one of these companies make they probably 'cause they sell more because they sink. You don't make no. 

Jaybird: 

God, I love that thing. How? 

Steven: 

You got to buy another one. Buy freaking. Did somebody make a floating handle for these things? The the amount of split ring pliers I've lost overboard right now. The same thing. I'm just kind of going through the tools you guys. Have you got to have long nose pliers? I there's a couple ways. You can go here. I don't own one I've played with. What's the deal, though? With the grab it because it's kind of, it's not a pair of pliers. You know you got hook. I know there's a lot of people that are just nutty about these, these grabbits. The deal with that thing. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, the popularity on the gravit in the last few years has been off the charts, just like weird, crazy. Unfortunately, the price went up. He's he's struggling to get a made and he's. 

Steven: 

Yeah, he hand makes summer a family. Him, right. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, something like that, but. 

Steven: 

Well, got him in stock and. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah. Yeah. When you got it. We. We bought a ton of them. Couple times a year. Yeah, they last. They last basically. Their metal there. It's like it's just a great tool. 

Steven: 

Well, how does it work? 

Jaybird: 

And it's got a spring loaded handle and it's got like a 2024 inch long shaft. And at the end of that all you do is. Grab any part of the hook you can reach. Clamp down on it and then it's secure. Not coming off. You can. Eating hook fish thrashing fish pesky Pike. I mean, it's an invaluable tool really. 

Steven: 

Yeah. I mean, yeah, I it's, you know, I I kind of go old school with a pair of needle nose like a moron. Been. Plenty of times here and just you know. 

Jaybird: 

How many times you got a long needle nose and you're in there and it slips when you're trying to? You know you're trying to choke that vocal. 

Steven: 

I'm bought a bunch of times. I've just not. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, yeah. 

Steven: 

I've just not played with I've. I've picked them up at the shop, you know, fooled around with them because I kind of air for we just had weather freaking. Think they're musky shop, branded like just? These aren't the long ones. Yeah, those are the. Yeah, just just simple. I mean that's. 

Jaybird: 

The. Yeah, yeah. All you need for a basic pliers. Don't pull it the short one. 

Steven: 

Yeah. 

Jaybird: 

With something. Yeah, those are 11 inches. Yep. Need that reach. 

Steven: 

You. You don't want. Yeah, you need some reach, but you don't want to go. Like I said, you know, you got some side. They used to make some some angle pliers. All this stuff, I think, like I said, most people are going with these grabbits now. Not my cup of tea, maybe. Should be. And like I said, the last thing is this to kind of answer the bunch of questions. These terminal as the tools. 

Jaybird: 

So. 

Steven: 

You got OK, we got a net, we got bowl cutters. We got some hook extractor. Whether it be a grab it or just pair a. Nose plier. You said deep hook fish and jaw spreaders, right? That's one thing that that that most people. Don't actually have Lang on the boat. I've been on other people's boat since, like we get one hook really deep and I'm like you got jaw spreaders like. 

Speaker 

Or. 

Steven: 

You know, they bought a pair. Super inexpensive. Of. And worth having one or two laying around for sure. There's one. I think they have. They're sold out right now. 

Jaybird: 

We don't have to use them on every every Fisher release, and that's a thing. But occasionally when you do. 

Steven: 

No. Hell, no, don't you? There's one one pair here that I kind of dig. Which is the tyrant tackle? Right. I'm sure we'll get back in stock some point, but they do not have. If you look at a pair of. Spritters. They really don't have a flat. They kind of just poke the fish. Most of these jaw spreaders, right? And and. I don't really like to just have the OK here it is. Hooked in the. And now we're just jamming him in the face with two sharp points right again. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah. 

Steven: 

The flat not flat, but these have like a little arrow on them. Either. That really have more surface. And I like to use jaw spreaders that have a wider surface or a bigger surface area than just the two little points, because you get these little pointy jaw spreaders in there and they turn sideways just a bit. They're ineffective. And you're resetting them and you just kept. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, right. 

Steven: 

Yeah. Opposed to the tyrant tackle ones have these flat not. 

Jaybird: 

You're saying you're right. 

Steven: 

They're they're rounded aluminum, but it's like more surface area 'cause. They have these little vs and they're easier. Get it? Fish where you need them to be because when you, you know, jaw spreaders, one of things you don't need them until you need them. It's always some fish that just freaking demolish something. Like, oh, here's a big and it's it seems to be the case for leaves for me. A big fish that ate a small bait like it was nothing. Gulp gone. 

Speaker 

Mm. 

Steven: 

And now we got a mess. The other time I see it is is with. With tubes. When they headshot it and they just think they're just, it's gone, right, they headshot the thing, and now we've got to treble all the way back at the back of their throat at the back of their mouth. Have them. But like I said, jaw spreaders with with some surface area to them. You know, that's kind of my personal pick. All of them will. I'm just always and all this stuff is kind of like with the baits. I'm just going for like the path of least resistance, especially when it comes to tools. I don't care who made it. I just want it to work, you know, and be the easiest option. OK. Uh. Here it is. There's a scale float etcetera for this J. Offshore anglers, not offshore angler who even makes this just has a there's a it says scale accessory float and it's just a little 9 inch. 

Jaybird: 

What are you looking at? 

Steven: 

Oh, hold up to a pound. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Steven: 

Who makes? So if I'm. Found them. It just says scale accessory. 

Jaybird: 

They're out east. It's, I don't know the name of the company. 

Steven: 

Yeah. What does it say on there? Something blah blah blah anyway. But we do have an accessory. You could use a bobber, but that is perfect. You could actually. You know what? If you have those expensive tools or something, you could probably. Just heat shrink it to the handle like one of the the the tethers or whatever. Get creative with it, but that'll keep you from dealing with it. You know, those are kind of the primary things there. You know that you're gonna you're gonna need to have and you should always have. And whether you just started, you've been doing it forever. But you know, back back to more exciting stuff. And not to crawl down the rabbit hole. Here the old bump board of Reno, right? He got bump boards. You got people that love them, people that hate them, people that go everywhere. I'm not going to talk about that. I'm more of a float ruler. Of guy Jay. But rack and rack? I have the wreck and rack and if you guys heard the episode where I got hit by a drunk driver, the one time one of the few things that survived was my racks. Stuff Josh makes a hell of a bump. I think that is it. The only one we stock at the shop now. Like as far as a full size. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, true bump. 

Steven: 

True that, right? 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, we have folding ones and stuff, but yeah, yeah. 

Steven: 

He got a couple options that that things. I keep one in the boat for when we get into serious fish class. You know what I'm saying? OK, we really need to. We really need to know. But you know, that's the one we have just because. That's the. I mean, it's just you're going to get what you pay for on that for sure. But yeah, they're. People ask all the time what's the difference. I'll tell you it's not. If you want to bump. Fish do it. Don't. Whatever. Whatever makes you happy, I'm not. Not here. To you know, **** in your Cheerios don't care. But you know what I do is I have the bump board and I got the float rule. Get them both right. If if, if somebody on my boat really wants to know. They're like, listen. Is that a 34 or a 35? Well, let's break up the. Rule and find out. Right, not going to go down the rabbit hole, but you know, we get into. That a 54 or a 55. Bump board right now. That. I don't. That's just the way I run my program, right? OK is. Is it you know if we if we really want inquiring minds got to know. The. So very so, it's worth having there, but you know that the question what as far as measuring tools? I mean, back in the day, Jay, a sticker on the side of the boat. You know. There's your sticker, yeah. 

Jaybird: 

About all I use. Mean I don't. I know how big it is, you know, it's and I'm not posting it or anything, so it really doesn't matter. 

Steven: 

Yeah, right. 

Jaybird: 

Don't measure. I just get them back in the waters because I can. 

Steven: 

No, and I mean. 

Jaybird: 

The most part? 

Steven: 

And like I said, I have AI. A bump I have. Few of them laying around the garage, but like I said, I keep the wreck and rack with me. If we really got to know. 

Jaybird: 

Banging fish like that every month, you know. I'd probably. I'd probably bump one or two just to know exactly, because that would be pretty darn cool, but yeah. 

Steven: 

Well, I mean when you get, like I said, you look like a buck in neighbor Steve, that fish, OK. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Steven: 

Let's find out for real. You know what? I'm. I hate the PBS, but that's kind of like I said, we're talking about what the best of the best are the tools. But like I said, I. For the sake of just the ease on the fish, I go, OK. Does it really matter? If it's your first one. If you think it's your biggest one on whatever, whatever floats your boat, I don't care. 

Jaybird: 

I mean, yeah, fish of a lifetime for a. It's just like, sure, yeah, we'll throw them on there quick. 

Speaker 

I. 

Steven: 

You know, I got better things to worry about. If you want to, like, grab your grandma and bump board her. Don't care. I'm not going. Sit here and worry about it. Them don't measure. Whatever makes you happy, do it. I don't care if it was, you know, whatever. Not. I'm not the musky police don't care, but. If you're going to bump them, I like that fricking board from Josh. Like the wreck and rack thing just because of the stability of it, you know it's going to like the one thing I say is this. Don't think there's a bad bump? I mean, people have got enough people to mention it. Don't think there's a bump board? 

Speaker 

That's. 

Steven: 

I mean, it's a measuring device. Who makes the best tape measure? You know, I can go to frickin the Dollar General and buy a tape measure that should be accurate. Or I can go buy a frickin expensive one and wherever. I'm just looking at longevity, you know, and that the material he's made that is just you can't beat. 

Speaker 

It. 

Jaybird: 

It's tough and there's zero failures on him, so that's important. On bump boards, we've had some years ago that snaps into the material. 

Steven: 

Now you know, have fun stuff, but that that about gets around at Jaybird. I was going to parlay back kind of hit that. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, yeah. 

Steven: 

Got some Q&A to. 2 Next week, but back to I was kind of talking earlier about. Some of this winter activity, you know, here it is. Cold. People, people that are still out doing it and you know guys that have open. What? Because I I wonder a little bit about you know some of the the the Indiana, the Illinois I've not heard much much feedback about how how I see it if some years you. Some years you don't. Whatever, but. You know, there's there's plenty of people that are still hitting this to to get back to the reality, away from from, what's the best or what's what, what product, this or that tactically you know saying earlier about trolling I think early. You know about Big Brother and things of that nature. Right. And I think one thing trolling wise that if you're really trying to get dialed in right now, you're trying to stay dialed in. Right. Most these places have multiple lines, but one thing that I'm seeing consistently. Consistently, consistently. 

Speaker 

Mm. 

Steven: 

Is that big is not better this year? Right. 

Speaker 

OK. 

Steven: 

The parts I'm hearing where you know you would go a lot of times. OK. Hey, you get into cold water trolling, you get into winter trolling. What's kind of classic knee jerk reaction? You know, big grandmas, big Jake's big, big, big, big, big, big, big, right. Where that moderate size class seems to be really doing the trick, and I think a lot of guys when you go on that quote UN quote hog hunt, you know, in the winter, you're not out there gunning it, whether it be late season up north or. Or your fishing through heck late season down here, wherever. You know you you you want to kind of try to hit that Grand Slam and I think that's one thing for guys that are on the water right now that moderate size. I can't rage enough about that M9 Pro we've been talking about that but. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, it's. Thank you, boots. Yeah. 

Steven: 

Yeah, that thing's phenomenal. But some of the other midsize crankbaits you know, for trolling applications here that at least I think they need to look something that doesn't get any attention as a trolling bait is the big, big, shallow Raider. Right. And the 9 inch bloke sheldrick. 

Jaybird: 

9 inch cougar shallow. 

Steven: 

I don't even think I've ever talked about it. Her. But if you look at that bait, it's a thicker bait. With that smaller profile, right? So you got a 10 inch. It's a little bit more vertically robust, right? So. A wider profile looking at from the side and a way. More wild action and again caveat being here is it a matter of they would would they eat a big bait with a more toned down action? A possibility. I don't have any subtle 13 inch baits. So there's food for thought. Do I have a very subtle 13 inch bait? Maybe be it so but I'm getting. A heck of a lot more eats on on these moderate action baits where it's not that the the wild meandering. The entire time, like in years past, has been so good with, with headlocks, matlocks and things that I'll. But. That big, shallow Raider has been interesting because it's got. It's kind of like a in between stopgap for me, right? Where? Where? If you think of like toned down action in a trolling bait where. You know, grandma tends to be. Maybe one of the tighter actions if we're talking about the wobble of the bait and how it kind of works in the water, Jakes a little bit more aggressive, you know, for if we're starting at the bottom of the hill and going to the most aggressive, right. Grandma's gonna be down here towards the bottom and in the headlocks at the top for most aggressive. There seem I've seem to see some action on that 9 inch shallow Raider is kind of a in between. When I make that jump from say Jakes to Headlocks right in that flat sided kind of Mino bait thing where? It's not something I've I've I've done in a few years, but every now and again when I need to pull. Out of the back, it's. It's where where you have a more aggressive action, but it's not too aggressive. And and that's an interesting bait just to kind of to add in there because. I don't really think of that bait per SE as a as a trolling bait, I don't know. Mean, what's your take on it? You think most people are casting that or what's what's kind of the the status quo for people that are grabbing at the shop? 

Jaybird: 

I thought most people were trolling with that personally. Yeah, the wobble on it's great because it it's it's rocking side to. I don't know if you've seen that recently in the water and look at it and it's just like, yeah, it's it's different, it's different. 

Steven: 

Oh yeah. That's what I'm talking. Been running it. That's all. It's. 

Jaybird: 

And most dates of that size class out there really. I mean, it is nothing like a grandma or Speaking of nine or. 

Steven: 

But it's not a 10 inch. It's, but it's not as aggressive as a headlock. Right. 

Jaybird: 

No, it's not as aggressive and it's not as deep running too. A very buoyant. So when when you start incorporating, you know, killing your drive, making you know exaggerated turns, it's going to rise up pretty quick. Than a lot of other baits of that size class too so. 

Steven: 

Wait. 

Jaybird: 

It's got its merits for sure. 

Steven: 

Yeah, it's just interesting because it's so cyclical. You know, you go OK. You know you. You know you spend a year trolling headlocks, and you go, OK? Isn't. You start trolling this and you troll that and you. I think a lot of it when you're dialed in and this is the overarching it be dialed in on casting Bucktails, I don't care. The second you feel like you're dialed in, it's time to start playing around to stay dialed in. 

Speaker 

Right. 

Steven: 

When you're like, OK, this I'm on. Thinking about OK, what are other options? That that might. Become hot or remain hot when this primary option that's working might fall off the Cliff, right? People typically muskie fishing, they're like they're dialed in. They're just dialed out. They're just over over. With and, I think it's it's. It's hard enough to get dialed in then then start exploring other options and you'll see that variation because there are there are gaps in between patterns and there's gaps where people go. OK. I was really on a good, say, rubber pattern. And I had a lot of failure. And then I got on a really good trolling pattern, right? There's there's peaks and valleys to to alleviate the severity of those peaks and valleys. When you're at the top, start playing around. And that's what I'm trying to constantly do all the time is where, you know, you say I haven't had the chance to run the 9. Slammer. But I've. I've been on some really good bites in the past with a really big slammer, which is a heck of an aggressive. You talk a hyper aggressive trolling bait, right? Big, big was it 14 J? It. What is the big Slammer? The biggest one? 

Jaybird: 

He made 4/14/14. They. 

Steven: 

Yeah, it's. That thing will wake you up. 

Speaker 

But. 

Steven: 

Reeling it back to the boat is like landing a fish. But you know, I've. I've been on bites like that. 

Jaybird: 

Right. 

Steven: 

We're like here, you thought what? I'm just killing them and then it ends. Like, where do I begin? You know, do I need to step it down in size? Do I need to do so? You know, a lot of times for me, whether it be casting or crawling, it's not that, quote UN quote, magic bait. It's the. Appropriate action in the appropriate size. So once I'm done in on size class. And I start going above and below that and then playing with different actions and I think that's what's really helping me this winter. Like OK, Really died on these M9 pros. Then you start seeing the preference OK. It's 2 to one now. You know, you start out and and you're not getting any eats on these other baits and then you keep planting and keep planting and go, OK. 9 inch shallow Raider. Now it's one for one, you know, say, on on Wednesday. You got one on the ground on the cut, one on that, and then you go, OK. Now they're on this. This this seems to be getting more action. You know I'm saying so either as a means to. Elevate you from where you think you're doubting even more, or as a means to stay ahead of the pattern because. I I think. It it's the best way to look at. It was, once you're dialed in, try to stay dialed in by always augmenting, always playing with that. Your current game plan. Just from that standpoint, which just alleviates you from just completely being out. We go move. 

Speaker 

Off the. 

Steven: 

No, they didn't all stop inning. Heard it. The bot was hot and it's over, Jay. No, they're doing something different, you know, or they want something slightly. So just just the the school of thought there to try to stay dialed in on that. And then the same another another. Point that they could be made is the same thing with rubber baits this time of year. Right. You know, you'll go through that ebb and flow of of they want, you know, they want magdogs they want magdogs. Then they don't, right? Was it a matter of if? You downsize or could you? You know, like a toothy tough in the running depth and the action tends to build different enough. You know, I'm saying 'cause, does it make sense where what I'm trying to get, you're working in a set of parameters? It's Mino baits, but. How do we kind of justice follow? Because I would even say the way I think it's going right now for me is like, OK, the M9 is kind of subtle. That's been good. They're tending to show a little bit of a preference to the more aggressive stuff that stop gap at the Booker, where if I had to guess here pretty soon it's going to be headlocks again, right? And that would be the next, I would say like linear move for me. To stay down in which is like, OK, if if I see say tomorrow I'm running. Two and two, I'm running two grandma or two M9 pros and I'm running two shallow Raiders. If they only have bait to get, action would be shallow Raider. You see what I'm. Like cycling things into that trolling spread and cycling things out. And and and again you can do that in casting. If you have a boat partner. If you're just diligent about it and you're spending the time. I think that happens a lot with big rubber as well. Where there's so many moves that can be made. That are of the same running depth, similar action, but you can make moves bigger, smaller and slightly augment the profile. I tend to see that as a means to really. Think ahead and stayed out in. But you know you know me. It's just it's a freaking autism factory. Never ends anyway. I think we got some videos coming out here shortly. What's on the? What's the next one you? 

Jaybird: 

Oh man. 

Steven: 

You got that big 20/20/25 or coming up? 

Speaker 

Well. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, I haven't finished shooting it yet. Tom's back. 

Steven: 

Tom's bar. 

Jaybird: 

My main photographer, so I'm going to try to get all that stuff done. Week we put out a video last week. And that's the master class on building your own Bucktails. That's great if you've ever wond. About details on what kind of parts you should look for and what might work for you and all design that goes into it. It's a long video, but there's a lot of information. That's great for winter projects, so now's the time. 

Steven: 

Now is able the one thing with that I I peaked at it. Don't watch my own videos because I did. But I believe that that whole video is done with just vice grips, right? 

Jaybird: 

Yeah. Yeah, I think so. 

Steven: 

Yeah, yeah. There you go. 

Jaybird: 

Yeah, I yeah, vice scripts are maybe a net X like a round or an afw round end maybe. 

Steven: 

You know, I have to get. You got to. The wire, but I'm saying like as far. Forming the button. 

Jaybird: 

No, no, no, no. Round bend players. 

Steven: 

Oh yeah, whatever. You don't have to have them. 

Speaker 

I. 

Jaybird: 

Can't remember what you used, yeah. 

Steven: 

That's one thing. Yeah, you can. 

Jaybird: 

Anyway. 

Steven: 

You can go full pro when it comes to buckets. You can go completely pro. Think there's, like the Boggs tackle. It'll make beautiful buck tales that you could you could sell at your flea market booth in the summer. You could have jars of jam and. 

Jaybird: 

Sure. 

Steven: 

You know, they make beautiful stuff, but I mean, when it comes to Bucktails, a lot of times, you can just Bush build, redneck them together and it doesn't matter 'cause like. Using just a pair of vice grips to get the job. Like you said, the round bin pliers, but that's not a superb prerequisite. You know, bend it around a frickin sharpie, bend around a pencil. You know, whatever you can manipulate that wire. Don't have to over complicate it. I think I think people find it daunting at first when you're making. Tales. It's like, oh, this got to be perfect. They don't care you. Again, size profile action's going to Trump. Well, we got more videos coming up next week going to get more tactical with it. 

Jaybird: 

We do. 

Steven: 

Think we've covered most of what do I need? You know, buy shield, right? Tanks. Buy a bunch of gates. 

Jaybird: 

And July 19th, July 19th, Muskie shop hash. 

Steven: 

Buy the right tools. 9th. Yeah. Oh, I forgot about. 

Jaybird: 

That coming up. 

Steven: 

Coming up it. Make your plans now the night. So it's officially the 19th. 

Jaybird: 

July 19th, Saturday, like usual musky shot fashion, Managua. Very good. 

Steven: 

Well, guys, we'll we will. Will remind. I'm sure we'll have some stupid, crazy promo for that one coming up. 

Jaybird: 

I hope so. 

Steven: 

No, that that's always a good time if you're not been to one. If you're in the area or whatever, that's a fun time because. I just kind of dig. How? How cash it is I came with it. 

Speaker 

Oh yes. 

Steven: 

Cash. I won't even say cash well. It's too. It's too casual to even use the full word. Just understand. 

Speaker 

OK. 

Steven: 

Now it is. 

Jaybird: 

Very, very nice. 

Steven: 

It's. We've said it before, but it truly is like really laid back where everybody's kind of fluffing around. Eating a hot dog talking and there's always cool baits. That's one thing if you're if you're into cool baits, there's always something you can come out harass. 

Jaybird: 

Duff, or lots of. Lots of specials, lots of fun. 

Steven: 

Lots of. All right. Jaybird, say goodnight. 

Jaybird: 

Thanks guys. Goodnight. 

Speaker 

And. Every time.